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Wednesday 2 September 2009

Fitwatching at Climate Camp RBS Protest



After a week of hiding in the shadows, FIT finally showed themselves with their traditional blue tabards and cameraman on Tuesday's action against RBS.

However, their job was not made easy, and they were met by fitwatchers who ensured they had a hard time gathering the data they wanted on the protesters.

More information and comment on climate camp policing to follow soon.
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51 comments:

Anonymous said...

Congrats to all who made life difficult for FIT.

2 September 2009 at 07:11
Anonymous said...

Yeah, good to see them getting shit wherever they go.

2 September 2009 at 07:30
Anonymous said...

Harmony of pen and sword.

2 September 2009 at 07:57
Ben Aldin said...
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2 September 2009 at 08:19
Ben Aldin said...

The demonstrators seem to be engaged in a lawful and peaceful protest. The FIT officers by systematically filming those who dissent are intimidating the demonstrators, and giving proof to the existence of Britain’s surveillance state.

2 September 2009 at 08:22
Anonymous said...

They may well have showed up to do thier stuff, clearly though in a soemwhat tamer manner than we are used to seeing.
Two questions spring to mind having watched the the clip, why did they show up at all if this was one of those neighbourhood styling policing operations (or is this what the general pulbic can epxect from now on).
Secondly they obviously (i would hope) would have expeted to have met a bit of counter fit-ing so did they show up to try ad antagonise the situation or just to try and feebly prove some kind of point?

2 September 2009 at 10:17
Anonymous said...

If you are ever in such a situation and have the numbers then here is what to do. Stand directly behind them, (obviously a minimum number of 2 req'd) They hate that and it immediately puts them on the defensive.

2 September 2009 at 11:49
Anonymous said...

They seemed fairly relaxed when I was there but I wouldn't describe it as "neighbourhood style".

You can hear the helicopter that was hovering overhead and, off-camera, Bishopsgate was bumper-to-bumper with vans full of coppers waiting for something to kick off.

Scanned the rooftops and couldn't see any other surveillance going on.

This morning almost all of the office buildings in the area had extra high-viz-jacketed security guards around every entrance.

2 September 2009 at 11:51
Anonymous said...

And by sharing this lovely bit of footage, you've actually helped Fit! Well done you!

2 September 2009 at 14:48
Anonymous said...

Wear the uniform, pay the price.

2 September 2009 at 15:49
ACAB said...

Anonymous: 02 September 2009 14:48

"And by sharing this lovely bit of footage, you've actually helped Fit! Well done you!"

Not nearly as helpful as this bit of footage shared by FIT turned out to be:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2009/jun/21/fit-watch-kingsnorth-arrests

3 September 2009 at 00:08
Anonymous said...

There hasn't really been any neeed for FIT at this years CC as it's been a bit of a damp squib - these 'last day' actions have brough them out but the actions are all a bit pathetic.

3 September 2009 at 00:30
jonsparta said...

Aww. Sweet i think a couple of the fitwatch lads were enjoying following men around in uniform. Bit a boring day but the ham sandwich made up and the free coffee from loads of shops...Lots of people asking why you were following officers around. Reply, because you like too, that got a lot of laughs...

Remember if you dont like the police please ask at your local council office for a full refund and if you get robed, assaulted, sexually abused/raped or for any other reason please do hesitate to call.


ok, i im being a bit ott. Bad night at the officer, courts let go a rapist because his mum wouldnt come to court, even though she was the victim...hard times..

3 September 2009 at 00:51
Anonymous said...

Lots of people asking why you were following officers around. Reply, because you like too, that got a lot of laughs...

Pity those asking werent given an honest answer then, had you told them its becuase of the behaviour and antics of FIT and thier close links with violence and intimidation i wonder how much free coffee you would have been given.

Dont forget to add all those freebies to your tax returns.

"Remember if you dont like the police please ask at your local council office for a full refund and if you get robed, assaulted, sexually abused/raped or for any other reason please do hesitate to call."

Instead of trawling around looking to instigate trouble on peaceful demo's how about trawling around looking for those responsible for the above mentioned then.

3 September 2009 at 02:00
jonsparta said...

03 September 2009 02:00,

That i do, i enjoy putting criminals away just to watch them walk again. I was looking at a briefing item, a young lad stabbed a man in a pub and got 15 years, served just under 3 and is now out. Job well done, i think he has learnt his lesson well...

My tax return? Nope, only do it if you do!

Yes, most people were well aware of G20 etc but i only had one bad comment about the police. Everyone else was trying to get home or to work. I dont know if you were out in strength but it was a rubbish turn out.

Also do you have a name, i was asked to put my name to my comments by COVIS et al and was happy to do so. Are you a troll, trolling the day away or a spook, or undercover cop, or just cant remember your name? lol.

3 September 2009 at 02:12
Fighting Fit said...

"and by sharing this lovely bit of footage you've actually helped FIT"

Posting footage like this is always a bit of a tricky decision, even if it is a repost of footage already on the internet. We don't want to do FIT's job for them, but do want to publicise the Fitwatching that's going on. If there are genuine complaints from those involved I'm sure this blog will remove it. (Doubt whether you tube would, though...)

On the positive side, if FIT had only this to rely on for their intelligence gathering, I think they'd be none to pleased. It is a long way from the high res, directed shots that they want to have for their database, and it focuses exclusively on FIT and Fitwatching.

It does show some Fitwatchers a bit more clearly than I'd have liked - perhaps something journalists and filmmakers should bear in mind next time?. But having said that, I'd be surprised if FIT hadn't managed to get a shot of them anyway, it is a bit of an occupational hazard when you are in their faces protecting the privacy of OTHER people.

The fella wearing the mask got round that problem perfectly...

3 September 2009 at 02:46
Ben Aldin said...

In Salisbury a local school organised a dance and fun day which sought to put forward the case for police stop and search powers. For most people the idea of children rapping and dancing for the promotion of police stop and search is truly ridiculous.

Why is it funny?

Even with the massive extension of criminal offences, state surveillance and police powers, Britain are still not yet a police state. It is precisely that which makes this event so out of place and therefore absurd.

There is indeed a sustained attack on civic and political freedoms taking place in Britain. Some developments, such as the tracking of all email and internet use and the deployment of FIT officers to film political protests, are steps in the strangling of freedom. Other events, such as teachers preventing parents taking photographs at school sports day, are instances of sycophants who have attempted to internalise the illiberal spirit of the age, and who have overstepped the mark, making fools of themselves in the process. Children dancing for ‘police stop and search powers’ clearly comes into this latter category.

3 September 2009 at 03:15
Anonymous said...

Jonsparta, plod are not officers. They hold no commission and haven't the guts to join the armed forces. FITwatch exists because the police are cowardly, corrupt, racist, mendacious sub-human excrement that deserve to be roasted from the face of the earth with a flamethrower. One on one you are vermin, afraid to fight.

3 September 2009 at 03:17
Really Fit said...

Jonsparta, would you like to give an explanation of your presence at both the climate camp action on Tuesday, and the G20?

You don't give your name, you give a pseudonym. You have said that you are doing a college course in policing, but have never described your day job.

Do you take on a FIT role? If not, how do you manage to be at so many protest events?

3 September 2009 at 03:43
Anonymous said...

Reallyfit J is either a Wind up merchant or some cunt from plod "paid" to keep an eye on I bredrin. Either way=cunt and not in the good sense of cunt either!

3 September 2009 at 04:52
jonsparta said...

Bloody hell the comments get more personal every day. I did have a lot of time and respect for FITWATCH, although i disagreed with some of it. I would not be one to stop you, as i said earlier in another post i believe in Voltaire words "I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.” I have in the past and will in the future put my life on the line, although where i work it is normally for non-tax paying criminals that call us the most.

As for Mr Gordon, what part of that Clan do you come from? Any way, you comments earlier...well i will forgive your comments because,
1 - you dont know me or my background.
2- you may have a unbalanced mind. (i feel a 136 heading your way).

"cowardly, corrupt, racist, mendacious sub-human excrement.."

So racism is alive and well in you, gordon. Trying to hide behind a veil of superiority.??


As for the officers comments, it was Lord Scarman i believe that made the comment that the Police should become a 'officers corps'. I suppose going to armed suspect incidents doesnt count? And only having a baton and CS spray! But then again paperwork is a killer too. lol.

I am a Reponse Officer now, but i did get around alot, standing around getting kicked and spat at but thats life. Went to a lot of other forces to help out, good overtime bad for the home life. And what Reallyfit is a name that your mum gave to you? lol. And as for using the c word, well i suppose that sums you up gordon. Ok, im getting sarcastic about this, my apologise. Im getting carried away, but can make one point i hate the gov and no doubt the next one.

I have read degrees in History, Military and Naval Studies and Criminology, also i am looking at studing Terrorism at university too. I worked in banking in a fraud department. I made sure that when i left that my name and details were removed from their hidden databases, (bit like FIT). This is because the details they hold are way to much, also when we invesitgated a well know call centre for fraud, it was found that in one dept 6 in 10 were passing on confidential information.

Personally i dont wrok for FIT and find their work mostly boring. DIU or CTU work was more to my liking but Response is the most fun and where the really work is done. I sometimes get carried away, as some do on here but I have never abused my powers and take it very seriously and believe in honour and duty. But i know some of the police dont and i will fight them all the way, even if its costs me my promotion. I will not have ever officers painted with the same brush. I dont know if any of this gets through but thats the truth even if you chose not to believe it...its a free country, well mostly.

3 September 2009 at 07:54
jonsparta said...

ok and my spelling is shit. lol.

3 September 2009 at 07:56
Anonymous said...

Oh dear a plod that thinks it can write! Gordon is not my real name. Neither is McEgan. I was at Scarman (in fact I was at Brixton 81, hence the blog title). My last conversation with the Met was (them) saying to me "Fuck off you N*g*r lover". We did have fun with Blakelocks head. As for being unarmed don't make me laugh. Your colleagues (Baker, Savage, Edney) in Sussex are very brave when a "detained person" (political prisoner) is handcuffed. Terrorism? What is that Constable? Do you mean Freedom fighters? You have a degree in History? Bless so have I. A research degree in Human rights abuses. My Ph.D law proposal is "too hot" as it deals with the Marper case. How does it feel to leave the pigsty and have all our hate directed at you? May God rot your bones.

3 September 2009 at 08:51
Anonymous said...

ANYONE GOT PICTURES OF FIT AT SHELL DEMO?

FIT also present on the steps outside (S)Hell Centre. 3 of us stood behind them and they got real embarrassed.

Camera operator with zoom lens was number 4649 - looked a bit like Neal Williams from your spotter card.

Other 2 with high vis jackets were PI 339 and RG 929. RG 929 had a left handed bludgeon, unlike his pal. Anyone got pictures and or video of them? I asked a Climate Camp videographer to point her camera at them as I read their numbers out into her microphone, so I think either VisionOn tv or CC Legal will have the footage.

I asked 4649 what happened to the pictures, where they were stored, who had access etc. and he said 'I don't know'. Then he got more embarrassed when I asked if he was not proud of his work. I said when I do a job I like to know the end results of my labour, and didn't he? He then started to ignore me, until I asked him if he photographs children, and explained that if he was to photograph kids in my care he would have to ask my permission first. He said he never photographs children, and when I told him I have documentary proof of cops photographing children, he again turned away too embarrassed to carry on the conversation.

This nasty little piece of work seemed all round embasrrassed at being asked about his job, and so he should be snooping and curtain twitching for the state, and not caring about the result of his work, or feeling he had to lie about it. Do you think he lies to his family about what he does too? Don't know how he sleeps at night.

3 September 2009 at 09:20
Anonymous said...

Wow you made plod blush. Next time cut the fuckers head off.

3 September 2009 at 09:36
Anonymous said...

ALSO at Shell demo were 3 black clad cops, one of whom had only the number 13. I asked him if he didn't have a letter suffix to go with his number and he fobbed me off with something about diferent forces having diferent identifications.

Anyone got pictures of these 3? they were standing to extreme right of Shell Centre, and followed us onto the train to Lewisham.

3 September 2009 at 09:42
Anonymous said...

Sorry - 3 black clad cops were standing to extreme LEFT of Shell demo.

3 September 2009 at 09:44
Clovis said...

13 - presumably the well-travelled essex cop seen earlier in the year at the put people first demo on march 28, also seen surveilling fash in newcastle this year

3 September 2009 at 10:16
Really Fit said...

Have pictures of 13, but not of shell demo. If anyone has any, could they forward?

Will be doing a full post of climate camp policing tomorrow.

3 September 2009 at 10:21
jonsparta said...

Aww, you are sweet. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

So you can write too, must make your family proud..Blush dont make me laugh, Gordon my old man you are very werid fellow still trying to change the world or did it leave you behind?? Were you hugged to much as a child or not enough? Not able to hold a converstation without turning nasty, must be fun in your house. Do you take it out on the wife? Tea not on time??

Oh well, better left in the hole you were born in...

As i dont know them i would not call them colleagues...Political prisoner, a interesting point but no.

The age old debate, freedom fighter or terrorist...as always comes down to how you look at it. Climate Campaigners would never thought they were terrorists but if you think so. Climate change though, fact or fiction? Thats a better debate...


Wow you made plod blush. Next time cut the fuckers head off.

What a lovely man...lol.

3 September 2009 at 13:20
Anonymous said...

PC Sparta, how do you reconcile Heather Nicolsons 11 yr stretch for animal rights versus 7 yrs for Tracey scum Connelly? You cannot, thus you are going to face the wrath of Joe Q Public whom you face each day. New Scotland Yard delenda est.

3 September 2009 at 13:42
jonsparta said...

Tracey scum Connelly as you put it, should have had longer sentence. No questions there. Could be a case for hanging?

As for Heather Nicolsons - "Being targeted meant crowds of protesters standing outside the home, blowing whistles and letting off fireworks throughout the night, spraying graffiti on property, breaking windows, spreading rumours to neighbours that the target was a paedophile, and sending hoax bombs and obscene mail.."

Although in no way a good thing, she did break the law. Just answer me one question, if you were the target and this was happening to you, would you like it? Is it ok to treat people like this?? I really think you would be crying the loudest to every man and dog...??


Also its easy to answer the police dont sentence people the courts do. See easy come easy go. Not that i or anyone i know has much faith in the courts but there you go. I havent met anyone in my beat that could possibly name the above, most cant read but they know the day and time to get these hand outs from the tax payer...

3 September 2009 at 13:54
Anonymous said...

A.C.A.B - ask 501 D.S Lawrence of Hertfordshire about trying to "fit up" an innocent man. Or P.C O'Keeffe who has the quaint notion that theft is not a crime if one is in uniform. Why do I have the notion that you are branch typing away on night shift? Beats catching real criminals eh? Why has U.K (a wholly owned subsidiary of Pentagon Inc) become a police state? Many laws yet little justice. The law, in its majesty allows both rich and poor alike to starve.

3 September 2009 at 14:34
jonsparta said...

I will, if i meet them.

Nope, im on rest days. If i was at work i wouldnt have the time to do must but answer calls. Our team use to be 35 but have been cut down in the last two years to 18. Yet we answer more calls and on my last night, we were under the legal limit of officers with 12. We had 132 999 calls to work through.

If it were a true police state i dont FIT and there kind would be hidding as much. Not a police state far from it. Yes i like going after criminals, which if you use the true meaning then we are all one. You drive? I bet you speed, go through on yellow? Im being over the top, but i get your point.

At training school many winters ago, a old Sgt told us that the courts are courts of not of justice. Since we have moved down the path of the hated lab gov Victim led system, we have seen a rise in crime and failer to meet targets! Answer get rid of targets... Could make a grown man cry..

3 September 2009 at 15:23
Anonymous said...

You are shooting yourselves in the foot. Which is it easier to nick? The likes of me or Mr BMW Mortgage, wife 2.3 kids? I am happy to either maim or kill you, I'll take a 20 yr stretch (if I must). I have very little to lose. So then it is Mr/Ms eating an apple in traffic.. I think it is called an "easy collar". Actually I have a question. Met has a warrant out for me, has done for over a year. I am in Belfast. £300 fine, political offence (anti-BNP). Now, how much to extradite me? Bearing in mind I'll not go quietly. PSNI "forgets" to serve the warrant in a CIRA area?

3 September 2009 at 15:32
jonsparta said...

Gordon, no such thing as a easy collar and i dont nick people for eating apples in their car.

You would be easier to nick if must know. Traffic is always leads to going to court, arrested for a warrant never been to court. If you are happy to kill a cop please step outside and have a go. I have seen it all and heard it all, have a firearms or a knife its no big deal to me.

'extradite' i dont know that Northern Ireland had left the UK. Could be the fact that you are not that important to be bothered with? We have really old warrants too. Being anti-BNP is not a political offence its just being in the right. Oh another point, the times are a changing...

4 September 2009 at 03:01
Anonymous said...

Back to Heather Nicholson -

"Heather Nicholson, Natasha Avery and Daniel Wadham leapt out of their car in a traffic jam to spit, scream abuse and bang on the windows of their victims.

At one stage they hit a 75-year old grandmother and tried to open the car doors to drag her 21-yearold grandson into the street.

It was only the intervention of outraged members of the public that halted the attack."

Is this the woman you are concerned about?

4 September 2009 at 06:47
PRATwatch said...

Or is it this one?

"'I expect that you will be seen by some as martyrs. But you are not going to prison for your beliefs, you are going to prison because each of you has committed a very serious offence.

'Hundreds, probably thousands of decent, men, women and children have had their lives made a living hell by your activities.'

Greg and Natasha Avery, the husband and wife who masterminded the operation, were jailed for nine years each, reduced from 14, after admitting conspiracy to blackmail."

You can certainly judge a mand by the company he keeps eh AB Gordon!

4 September 2009 at 06:59
Anonymous said...

On the subject of photographing events, this is a worrying report...

NUJ: "Apology sought after climate camper attacks journalists"

http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=1326

:-(

4 September 2009 at 07:55
Anonymous said...

Sparta & Prat. Spart first, yes I think the smart £ is on me being a low level nuisance. Must do better! Prat-if you saw a big, "hard" skinhead beat the crap out of a li'l old lady what would you do? Your thesis is faulty. A cat or dog in a lab cannot ask to stop being tortured. Harmony of pen &n sword constable. Wouldn't you be better suited to making the streets safe (NOW THERE IS A NOVEL CONCEPT!) than tracking us poor schlubs?

4 September 2009 at 09:41
AM said...

Heather Nicholson was not convicted of doing any of the things listed in the media as part of the blackmail case. All that was claimed is that she was responsible for the actions of 'persons unknown' because she was an organizer of the SHAC campaign and 'must have known' about the actions.

Heather is in jail because cops were so crap at their jobs that they couldn't catch the underground activists that took the actions and so blamed it on the lawful campaign.

4 September 2009 at 12:10
Anonymous said...

NO, she's in prison because a court looked at the evidence gathered by the police and jailed her, the police don't jail people

5 September 2009 at 00:36
Anonymous said...

She is a political prisoner you thick cunt. Maya Evans reads out list of war dead. Arrested. Is that a crime? Walter Wolfgang, CAAT, you think that scum like Kramer & Butterworth are FAIR? Fuck off and die you scum.

5 September 2009 at 09:14
AM said...

Anonymous 05 September 2009 00:36, The police and the courts are both part of the same system, but in any case the police are responsible for their actions just like the rest of us.

5 September 2009 at 09:45
Anonymous said...

The police are responsible for their actions, not those of the courts over which they have no sway, thankfully, and ABG if you have to resort to that as a retort I'm not the thick cunt.

5 September 2009 at 11:20
Anonymous said...

Anon you brave wee man would you like a game of football? Blakelocks head. ha-ha. (Craigavon One Nil, PC Carroll we will have a Merry Xmas).

5 September 2009 at 12:32
AM said...

Anonymous 05 September 2009 11:20, at the very least the police are responsible for arresting the activist and conspiring with others (in this case the 'courts') to imprison the lady for her free speech 'offences'.

5 September 2009 at 13:57
Anonymous said...

Gordon, we couldn't use your bollocks cos they're non existent.

6 September 2009 at 06:37
Anonymous said...

Anon 06.37. Dear Constable, Do fuck off back to dawbing swastikas on the custody desk.

6 September 2009 at 08:17
Grodon said...

If the Police, Courts and the media are responsible for poor old Heather being banged up then Greg and Nat must take some blame too - they admitted their guilt and left Heather to face the longest sentence.

As they say – an inconvenient truth

7 September 2009 at 06:23
Anonymous said...

The unfortunate thing is that the judge who gave her that sentence is still alive. Wouldn't it be a pity constable if his personal details were to fall into the wrong hands? A.B. Gordon. Voice of the caliphate.

8 September 2009 at 03:07

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